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Re: Analysis of Planet X Images Dec 13 & 14 2002 J.William Dell

Oh Brother;

As I have stated, I am responding to Questions on the image analysis.
Below are responses to you. 


1) Oh Brother says;
   "How can you with certainty point at any 'pixel' in any of the frames
   and state unequivocably that it is Px since your main filter for
   identification is the bony finger of a little old lady claiming to 
   have alien voices in her head?  If she wasn't there to tell you that,
   you wouldn't know which pixel it is would you?"

JWD
If the coordinates were not provided then yes I would not know where to look.
Further, I would not be on this google group.
It is recognized that the coordinate information was provided by Nancy
Lieder on behalf of the Zeta. Alien species is something you have issues with?
The identification of the White Persona of Planet X/Niburu at its Dec
13 on all 1200 series set was made by me, not Nancy.

2) Oh Brother says;
   "How in the world can you believe you are seeing attraction and repulsion
   at the same time when your object is supposed to be by itself rushing
   towards us?  Circling random pixels proves nothing other than the fact that
   you have a huge capacity to see things that aren't there?"

JWD
Recognize first of all, that we are seeing sideways motion. This
object continues to come in towards us. This other object would be in
front of PX from our POV (See Brightness increase remarks at Findings
page)

Attraction
I find nothing random in the path leading up to the Dec 13 location.
Course plotted from Nov 15 actual PX and Dec 04 actual PX would
indicate a path approx 3 degrees above Dec 13 location.
I find that PX set new course towards Dec 13 location. Why?
My conclusion is another object at that location (composition
unknown). This object attracted PX from its path towards Sun. Not an
overpowering attraction, but a deviation from previous course.
I have gone back to Nov 11 (first set of images with that location on
images). I find an indication of another object about 3 pixels off Dec
13 Frame 2 1200 series position. On Dec 04 images, an object is
located on Dec 13 Frame 2 1200 series position.(Avis recognized on Dec
04 Frame 1).

Repulsion
In the Dec 13 Frames 1 2 3 4 1200 series there is indication of both
an attracting and repelling interaction between PX and an object. On
Dec 14 Sum Summary 2 objects appear on the film. one above Dec 13
location, one below.  Something happened that pushed these 2 objects
into different locations on Dec 14.
     
3) Oh Brother says;
   "If your object is so HUGE and its tail is so AWESOME, howcum you resort
   to creating your won little .gif images to demonstrate what its doing?
   Anybody can sit down with Adobe Photoshop and create drawings with lots of
   little colored balls."

JWD
  a) More than one gif pixel plot was created using Adobe Illustrator
not Photoshop. My findings include about 6. That is not all I have.
Using Avis Pixel Tables, the intent of these drawings is to remove
background noise completely by using a high threshold. And to show
what has been captured on the film. You obviously are missing some of
the concept ;o)
  b) The tail of PX is huge, witnessed by the extent of the dust cloud
on Dec 13 Frame 1 1200 series.
 
4) Oh Brother says;
   "Nowhere do you resolve the disparity between your Red and White
   persona's and explain how they can be present with your object and
   none other in the sky?"

JWD
Disparity?
  1) The condition or fact of being unequal, as in age, rank, or degree;
difference:
  2) Unlikeness; incongruity.

I presume you mean why with this object when we do not see it with
others.

The red image in my estimation is a projection of light in the red
spectrum (light from PX, lens is the dust cloud,travelling behind).

I am not aware of any other objects in the sky with a Red dust cloud
travelling behind it.

Further with Red light bending, I refer you to this comment and I do
note that over the imaging dates convergence is occuring;
Zeta statement regarding reason Stars are not seen as 2 objects.
http://www.zetatalk.com/index/coct0502.htm

(NancyL) 2. The Zetans have said red light is bent by gravity. If 
   white light is made up of particles of light of all colors, then why 
   don't all the stars around planet X show up as two images - one red 
   and one white? Or if light particles of different colors are shifted 
   different amounts by gravity then why don't we see a rainbow of star 
   images?
(NancyL) ZT: We have stated that there are MANY more particles of 
   light than man is aware of, and light spectrums likewise he is 
   unaware of.
(NancyL) ZT: Man sees but few colors, our eyes able to see dozens 
   more, and our equipment atuned to wider spectrums likewise.
(NancyL) ZT: Planet X is registering in two places on human CCD 
   camera images of late - a red object BENT and a white light object at 
   the coordiantes we have given.
(NancyL) ZT: Why is this not the case for all objects, that they 
   might appear in two places, and how long will this phenomena occur 
   for the inbound Planet X?
(NancyL) ZT: Planet X, as we have stated from the beginning, is a red 
   light spectrum object, due to the iron ore dust swirl surrounding it.
(NancyL) ZT: Light eminating from it MUST bounce through the dust 
   swirl, and in the manner of light particles, emerges from the swirl 
   colored to red from the influence of the iron ore.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, we are NOT talking about the average object in 
   space, nor are we talking about the composition of light that must 
   travel a LONG way through space!
(NancyL) ZT: Planet X is relatively close, and thus the red light, 
   bent, is still available upon reaching Earth. Red light from a 
   distant object would be lost, BEFORE reachingEarth.
(NancyL) ZT: Until Planet X reaches the edge of the solar system, the 
   orbit of Pluto or thereabouts, it will continue to present TWO 
   objects, both increasingly large and bright as the months pass.
(NancyL) ZT: It is when the distance is such that LITTLE bending 
   occurs that they will blend, become one object, a gradual progression 
   of becoming closer and closer in images and scopes.

5) Oh Brother says;
   "So I feel totally let down by your 'most excellent pixel analysis' and
   therefore I'd like to pose the original 8 questions back to you again"

JWD
My original post is timestamped Date:2002-12-22 14:02:36 PST 
Your response post timestamped Date: 2002-12-22 15:52:47 PST 
This indicates approx 1 hour and 50 minutes of study by you IF you got
my post immediately on arrival. For you to study the Dec 13-14 images,
my findings, and past images in detail and become "totally let down"
in that short period leads me to say "Bullshit"

Other Questions

6) Oh Brother says;
   "How is it every star in the sky has only 1 image but yours has two?
   Just go out and look up, how may images of betelgeuse, sirius,
   polaris, etc. do you see?  A serious and inquiring mind would be 
   wondering abou this.  How about yours?"

JWD
I had included a comment on this subject in my findings.
This question is answered in Q-4 above.

7) Oh Brother says;
   "How your star, since it is HUGE, 11th Mag, 20thMag, has a LONG Tail
   (your buddy Dell's words) and swirling moons, but is only being seen
   by only Zeta Believers and no one else?  Don't you wonder why they're
   picking so many different positions if they are all-knowing?  Wouldn't
   there be one and only one position?  Especially since the Zeta's are 
   looking at the FITS and pointing them out?  Is this some sort of 
   Quantum logic at work?"

JWD
Answered above in Q-3.
You assume that someone is telling me which object is PX when I do my
analysis? I would assure you that many who have the initiative to do there 
own work with the Fits Files are seeing what is on the film. Have you
looked at the Fits images in detail?

8) Oh Brother says;
   "How is it that if it's being covered up so well, that you all cannot
   identify it even?  Nancy draws circles and you pick out what you think
   is what she means, but somehow the evil government already knows about 
   it and is surpressing all of the world's astronomers not to look at it? 
   Seriously, since you pay taxes, aren't you a little incensed that every
   astronomer including amateurs are on the payroll?  How many gazillion zeta
   grickles do you suppose it costs to keep this hushed up?"

JWD
  a) I do appreciate not having to live in your country under present
circumstances ;o)
  b) Again you assume Nancy picks out the objects.
I receive the coordinates from Steve Havas plotted on a BMP and
receive the Fits files as a download from Steve. Until we have
reviewed and submitted our findings to Nancy Lieder, there is very
little communication with Nancy.
  c) All major observatories are subsidized by government grant, and the
release of information to the public must be through certain channels.
Anyone doing an end run around that process will jeopardize their
future employment. This does not require alot of people in the know.
It requires a strict process of release with a bottleneck at some
point.
  d) Observing this object requires red filtering, our early efforts
with normal lens were also unsuccessful. Amateurs should contact Steve
Havas for details on filtering.
 
9) Oh Brother says;
   "What is the trajectory of this HUGE and AWSOME image?  The Zeta's have
   had no problem identifying all sorts of interesting and invisible
   aspects of the BLOOD RED SLAYER PLANET except its trajectory.  Using 
   your natural 'zeta induced' wisdom, can you shed some light on this?"

JWD
  a) Course plotted for next coordinate date Dec 29 2002.
  b) New coordinates until Feb 09, 2002
http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword03m.htm
  c) I do speculate that the new coordinates (released Dec 16 2002)
could not be given until the events of Dec 13-14 were over.

10) Oh Brother says;
    "How can it get brighter and dimmer and be HUGE at the same time?
    Remember, 20th magnitude is invisible to the naked eye, 1st 
    magnitude is real bright.
JWD 
  a) Brighter then Dimmer? Not by my findings!
  b) Whose eyes or Equipment? Zeta or Human? ;o)

11) Oh Brother says;
    "How can moons and dust "swirl" behind it with no atmosphere to 
    cause this phenomenon?  If there is a tail and there is ejecta 
    from the object, what is causing this phenomenon?  Do you see 
    the moons in her diagrams? Perhaps you should provide a detailed 
    narrative on this so as to convince us that we are all close 
    minded unlike your enlightened example.

JWD
  a) Tail is outside PX atmosphere, picked up over billions of years of
travel. No ejecta.
I see larger objects on the film, that can be seen to move within even
the 4 minute frames. These are noted as moons by the Zeta. 
  b) Show some initiative and open your own rusty brain. Its not my job!

12) Oh Brother says;
    "If the image is filtered with a RED filter, how can 'white' light 
    make it through?  You tried to answer this before with 'human sense' 
    but your lack of knowledge blinded you.  Now you've had time to 
    ponder this, still think its only a notational thing?"

JWD
No filter completely blocks out all light, unless its black or a lens
cover ;o)

13) Oh Brother says;
    "You say there has been no scientific inquiry into your planet, aren't
    the above questions VERY RELEVANT towards proving your planet exists? 
    Do you expect the world to scan the heavens, pick any candidate object -
    anywhere, label it planet x and then ask you if its the one you're
    talking about?"

JWD
  a) I have never made a comment suggesting PX has not been an object of
scientific enquiry! The search for Planet X in the scientific community 
has a long history.
  b) Our earliest recorded records from the Mesopotamian region indicate
their understanding of this Planet which they called Niburu.
  c) The coordinates given of where to look are provided by an alien
species through telepathic communication with Nancy Lieder. That does
not constitute "pick any candidate-object anywhere". Your hang up is
the Alien species?

14) Oh Brother says;
    "If you are so totally convinced that these are real observations, why
    have you not submitted them to the IAU and other bodies? (According to
    your mindset, these bodies are probably part of the grand conspiracy 
    that will suppress the knowledge of 'Planet Havas'. But, on the other 
    hand, what have you got to lose?) You have been told by posters on 
    sci.astro precisely how you might get thousands of professional and 
    amateur astronomers to search for your object - just submit your 
    results.

JWD
  a) Is the IAU something important or another committee? 
The Zeta notified the US government in the late 1940's about this
Planet. (the leading government on Earth at the time). You can see
what has transpired with the USA gov since then on this issue.
At this late date, will tying myself up in paper work to convince the
IAU be of any useful purpose?
  b) I know those amateurs and professionals with initiative are already
looking. This paper work project for the IAU will not change that.

15) Oh Brother says;
    "100 days from now, (May 2003) is 'naked eye' (or mag 4-5), still
    going to be a 45 minute CCD image of readout noise, hot pixels and
    artifacts or is the claim going to be another dodge such as "naked eye
    to the Zetas"? How long is Nancy going to string us along?

JWD
We will see what we see in May 2003.
  a) I suspect this object is going to be a bit of a sparkler to the
eyes. CCD cameras may pick up a lot of shit when it gets closer.
  b) Based on the writings of the ancient peoples, it has been likened
to a boat below the orb of PX (egyptian), and a dragon with its tail
(Sumerian Chinese).
So yes I expect a lot of what you term "noise" around the object all
the way in.

The rude awakening you are going to get "Oh Brother" is recognition
that you haven't been strung along.


J.William Dell